Comments on: A Biblical Guideline for Ministerial Aspirants http://www.lofitribe.com/2006/11/29/a-biblical-guideline-for-ministerial-aspirants/ A virtual notebook of Christian expression, journey, and study. Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:51:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Shawn http://www.lofitribe.com/2006/11/29/a-biblical-guideline-for-ministerial-aspirants/#comment-761 Shawn Wed, 06 Dec 2006 03:25:32 +0000 http://www.lofitribe.com/2006/11/29/a-biblical-guideline-for-ministerial-aspirants/#comment-761 smijer, you wrote, "Trusting obedience from one person to another is a recipe for being misled." LOL. People do it everyday! Millions of people! Quite unconsciously too, I might add! It cant' be THAT dangerous, if millions of people do it everyday without even giving it so much as a thought or two. Jobs, military, government, teachers, counselors, etc. Heck, people even place trusting obedience into systems and powers not even viewable to the eye! I mean, we all put trusting obedience into things we can't even classify as nouns! Seriously, think about it. Given the above, I would suggest it comes down to in whom or what you are willing to ultimately place your trust and obedience. God or something else. You will place it with one or the other, whether you want to admit it or not. Also, I would suggest that if one has absolutely no one near them in whom they would feel comfortable placing their "trusting obedience," even if only for a limited time, then that poor, poor one should expand his or her circle of relationships to include a better class of people. Trusting others is a good thing, even trusting them with our obedience. smijer, you wrote, “Trusting obedience from one person to another is a recipe for being misled.”

LOL. People do it everyday! Millions of people! Quite unconsciously too, I might add! It cant’ be THAT dangerous, if millions of people do it everyday without even giving it so much as a thought or two. Jobs, military, government, teachers, counselors, etc. Heck, people even place trusting obedience into systems and powers not even viewable to the eye! I mean, we all put trusting obedience into things we can’t even classify as nouns! Seriously, think about it.

Given the above, I would suggest it comes down to in whom or what you are willing to ultimately place your trust and obedience. God or something else. You will place it with one or the other, whether you want to admit it or not.

Also, I would suggest that if one has absolutely no one near them in whom they would feel comfortable placing their “trusting obedience,” even if only for a limited time, then that poor, poor one should expand his or her circle of relationships to include a better class of people. Trusting others is a good thing, even trusting them with our obedience.

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By: ck http://www.lofitribe.com/2006/11/29/a-biblical-guideline-for-ministerial-aspirants/#comment-755 ck Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:40:22 +0000 http://www.lofitribe.com/2006/11/29/a-biblical-guideline-for-ministerial-aspirants/#comment-755 smijer, I'm not going to argue against equality in marital relationships or against freedom in churches (I'm a Unitarian Universalist so I value our free pulpit and democratic church government; I'm a lesbian, so I'm not submitting to my husband--or wife for that matter!) My point is more that these ideas all hang together and typically Christians will argue for submission in terms that provide an ethical basis for such obedience. For example, since god is the bridegroom of the church, Christians submit to him. He has appointed elders and deacons to govern the body and keep it pure and holy. As they follow god's laws, we are to follow them. Similarly with the submission to the husband--they will argue that the focus is not on who deserves authority, but on who is given the role by god. Most of them, when pressed, will not say that men are innately superior or that they earn submission, but that it is functionally better, based on god's creation, for women to submit. Again, as with elders/deacons, the line in the sand is god's law--no wife is asked to submit to a husband who asks her to kill or steal, etc. With your other comment to Joel and Shawn (on the thread about liberal Christian