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	<title>Comments on: Why We&#8217;re Not Emergent Chapter Two</title>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.lofitribe.com/2008/06/05/why-were-not-emergent-chapter-two/#comment-18795</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The book is a critique. That's neither a conversation, nor is participation in the conversation. it is a critique. You see, that's the thing, you seem to be quick to head straight for the "conversation" buzzword while you decry buzzwords.

As far as your statement about all of us being part of the family of God is concerned, I simply say this: The kingdom of God has a very narrow entrance and everyone has to go through Jesus Christ to actually enter. Those who do enter this way are part of "God's Family." Besides all that, all families have that crazy uncle who everyone tries to avoid at the annual summer picnic ...

Finally, I have to laugh out loud at your "pointing out of my Scofield and Dispensational views."Why laugh? Well, because I do not have such views! Are you still in Bible College or something? Seriously! Do you have a pre-fab list of arguments you just peel anytime someone who questions/disagrees with emergent-ish arises? I do not adhere to these things at all. Where did you come up with this?

Also, I'm not sure if you merely misspelled "C.I. Scofield," or simply do not know what you are talking about, but there is no "l" in "Scofield."

Thanks for the comments, but I have no desire to have a "conversation" ... like this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The book is a critique. That&#8217;s neither a conversation, nor is participation in the conversation. it is a critique. You see, that&#8217;s the thing, you seem to be quick to head straight for the &#8220;conversation&#8221; buzzword while you decry buzzwords.</p>
<p>As far as your statement about all of us being part of the family of God is concerned, I simply say this: The kingdom of God has a very narrow entrance and everyone has to go through Jesus Christ to actually enter. Those who do enter this way are part of &#8220;God&#8217;s Family.&#8221; Besides all that, all families have that crazy uncle who everyone tries to avoid at the annual summer picnic &#8230;</p>
<p>Finally, I have to laugh out loud at your &#8220;pointing out of my Scofield and Dispensational views.&#8221;Why laugh? Well, because I do not have such views! Are you still in Bible College or something? Seriously! Do you have a pre-fab list of arguments you just peel anytime someone who questions/disagrees with emergent-ish arises? I do not adhere to these things at all. Where did you come up with this?</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not sure if you merely misspelled &#8220;C.I. Scofield,&#8221; or simply do not know what you are talking about, but there is no &#8220;l&#8221; in &#8220;Scofield.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments, but I have no desire to have a &#8220;conversation&#8221; &#8230; like this one.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
		<link>http://www.lofitribe.com/2008/06/05/why-were-not-emergent-chapter-two/#comment-18794</link>
		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn.... Because we are all in the family of God that's why. The book defends or justifies itself as entering into the Emergent conversation, so your thoughts confuse me. we don't have to agree but the use of "Buzz words" insinuate lack of intelligence or it's just a fad, which who knows you maybe your right although from your point of view it's going to get worse before it gets better. i should point out your scolfield views and dispensational view have only been around for just over a hundred years....so not sure thats not just a fad...Seriously</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn&#8230;. Because we are all in the family of God that&#8217;s why. The book defends or justifies itself as entering into the Emergent conversation, so your thoughts confuse me. we don&#8217;t have to agree but the use of &#8220;Buzz words&#8221; insinuate lack of intelligence or it&#8217;s just a fad, which who knows you maybe your right although from your point of view it&#8217;s going to get worse before it gets better. i should point out your scolfield views and dispensational view have only been around for just over a hundred years&#8230;.so not sure thats not just a fad&#8230;Seriously</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.lofitribe.com/2008/06/05/why-were-not-emergent-chapter-two/#comment-18793</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jake: I'm curious as to why you assume the people you decry above want to have a conversation with you about emergent-ish issues? I hear the "It's so hard to have a conversation with ..." a lot from the emergent-ish gang. I think the so-called "buzz words" you dislike come from that more than anything. No one enjoys a perpetual, circular, never-ending conversation.

Also, emergent-ish is just a phase, and I assure you it will pass just like the rest of them have through history. Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jake: I&#8217;m curious as to why you assume the people you decry above want to have a conversation with you about emergent-ish issues? I hear the &#8220;It&#8217;s so hard to have a conversation with &#8230;&#8221; a lot from the emergent-ish gang. I think the so-called &#8220;buzz words&#8221; you dislike come from that more than anything. No one enjoys a perpetual, circular, never-ending conversation.</p>
<p>Also, emergent-ish is just a phase, and I assure you it will pass just like the rest of them have through history. Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
		<link>http://www.lofitribe.com/2008/06/05/why-were-not-emergent-chapter-two/#comment-18792</link>
		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok ....so i can't stress enough how sick and tired of all these "witty" comments i hear from sooo many comments from "why we are not Emergent. Things like "Coffee Buzz" "Latte and Guiness" sessions...Please give people who consider themselves emergent a little more credit than that!! i am a emergent type of guy who is trying to love god and love people more...i take this very seriously.... i applaud  the books critique even though i don't identify with much of it. But all these  buzz words and phrases just remind my why it's hard to have a conversation with those who feel the need to sum up though buzz words/phrases or cliches that the emergent is just a "phase" or is fad that will die over time etc....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8230;.so i can&#8217;t stress enough how sick and tired of all these &#8220;witty&#8221; comments i hear from sooo many comments from &#8220;why we are not Emergent. Things like &#8220;Coffee Buzz&#8221; &#8220;Latte and Guiness&#8221; sessions&#8230;Please give people who consider themselves emergent a little more credit than that!! i am a emergent type of guy who is trying to love god and love people more&#8230;i take this very seriously&#8230;. i applaud  the books critique even though i don&#8217;t identify with much of it. But all these  buzz words and phrases just remind my why it&#8217;s hard to have a conversation with those who feel the need to sum up though buzz words/phrases or cliches that the emergent is just a &#8220;phase&#8221; or is fad that will die over time etc&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.lofitribe.com/2008/06/05/why-were-not-emergent-chapter-two/#comment-18023</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, you asked: &lt;em&gt;"What happens when they are in the eleventh-hour, the coffee-buzz has worn off and the conversation has gone stale? Not to be cliche but what is their rock? What is the foundation upon which they stand?"&lt;/em&gt;

Great question, bro. Kluck does touch on this, albeit briefly. He talks about how he entered his thirties, adopted a child, and life change. He basically says that all that emerging/emergent stands for really became less and less relevant and interesting to him as he grew older and life started introducing him to things he hadn't considered before hand. He even writes the following as a reason "rebellion" and "starting a movement" looked less and less relevant: "There were logistical reasons as well, like what to do with our three-year-old while I was sipping a latte and trying to do church in a coffee shop" (64).

This is a very good question, Justin. It's one I don't think many in emergent circles think about too much. It seems that the movement was built specifically for a moment in their lives, but they didn't realize that their lives were going to change and they soon would outgrow their own creation.

I think that's a fair question to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, you asked: <em>&#8220;What happens when they are in the eleventh-hour, the coffee-buzz has worn off and the conversation has gone stale? Not to be cliche but what is their rock? What is the foundation upon which they stand?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Great question, bro. Kluck does touch on this, albeit briefly. He talks about how he entered his thirties, adopted a child, and life change. He basically says that all that emerging/emergent stands for really became less and less relevant and interesting to him as he grew older and life started introducing him to things he hadn&#8217;t considered before hand. He even writes the following as a reason &#8220;rebellion&#8221; and &#8220;starting a movement&#8221; looked less and less relevant: &#8220;There were logistical reasons as well, like what to do with our three-year-old while I was sipping a latte and trying to do church in a coffee shop&#8221; (64).</p>
<p>This is a very good question, Justin. It&#8217;s one I don&#8217;t think many in emergent circles think about too much. It seems that the movement was built specifically for a moment in their lives, but they didn&#8217;t realize that their lives were going to change and they soon would outgrow their own creation.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a fair question to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.lofitribe.com/2008/06/05/why-were-not-emergent-chapter-two/#comment-18021</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kluck scratches the surface of an epic question for both the leadership and congregation in this chapter with the James Dean analogy.

For the leadership:

Is this hinting to the fact that the Emergent church could have been born out of frustration instead of a calling?  I can't help but think how many of the founding members should have stayed in their own churches (ahem Nehemiah), submitted to its leadership and demonstrated Christ crucified instead of being egotistical in thinking they could do a better job on their own. Perhaps.

For the congregation:

What happens when they are in the eleventh-hour, the coffee-buzz has worn off and the conversation has gone stale? Not to be cliche but what is their rock?  What  is the foundation upon which they stand?

Talking about Jesus and pursuing him are two very different things. To pursue him is to surrender, submit and defend Christ crucified.  And that is the hardest thing to do.

Is there nothing more annoying than a snot-nosed kid asking the question of "why"? I struggle with how appropriate it would be if someone were to walk straight into Mars Hill on Sunday morning and start flipping tables.

There's not much structure here but these are my thoughts on a whim. I'm hesitant to even comment on this in the first place. Maybe I'm only adding to the static.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kluck scratches the surface of an epic question for both the leadership and congregation in this chapter with the James Dean analogy.</p>
<p>For the leadership:</p>
<p>Is this hinting to the fact that the Emergent church could have been born out of frustration instead of a calling?  I can&#8217;t help but think how many of the founding members should have stayed in their own churches (ahem Nehemiah), submitted to its leadership and demonstrated Christ crucified instead of being egotistical in thinking they could do a better job on their own. Perhaps.</p>
<p>For the congregation:</p>
<p>What happens when they are in the eleventh-hour, the coffee-buzz has worn off and the conversation has gone stale? Not to be cliche but what is their rock?  What  is the foundation upon which they stand?</p>
<p>Talking about Jesus and pursuing him are two very different things. To pursue him is to surrender, submit and defend Christ crucified.  And that is the hardest thing to do.</p>
<p>Is there nothing more annoying than a snot-nosed kid asking the question of &#8220;why&#8221;? I struggle with how appropriate it would be if someone were to walk straight into Mars Hill on Sunday morning and start flipping tables.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not much structure here but these are my thoughts on a whim. I&#8217;m hesitant to even comment on this in the first place. Maybe I&#8217;m only adding to the static.</p>
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